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Mario
10-13-2008, 06:25 PM
Last night, Darrick Evenson wrote me this email (which he Cc'd to Ghazi Brax and Mounir Murad)

Mario,

Dr. Brax and many other Daheshists here in the U.S. (and one in Lebanon) have been informed that you are homosexual. I seriously DOUBT they're ever going to work with you again; any of them.

This all came about because you were UPSET because Dr.Brax was writing to me, not you. You blamed me for that. I only showed you respect...until you started to attack me, without the slightest disrespect or provocation from me.

Your website will come to nothing. I am removing all my links to Daheshville. It will eventually die from lack of interest, and you will again be left only to your own...attacking others. You really have an ego problem along with your sexual problem. I recommend you join the Sufi Order. They help people try to annihilate their egos. That would be a beginning.
Take care.
Darrick Evenson

So, I thought that I should perhaps explain to him and others who have aspirations in following in his shoes what it takes for me, Mario Henri Chakkour, to declare war upon them.

It doesn't matter how nice, polite, correct, etc. they were with me.

When I see someone defacing Daheshism, I send them (and I have proof to back up my claim) a polite notice.

When they refuse to heed my advice to cease and desist, I send another request. And another...

When I see them totally disregarding my advice to cease and desist, I turn into a Great White Shark and rip through their blubber.

This is not personal. This is business. I was ordered by the Spirit of Brother Ali to protect Daheshism. And protect Daheshism I will with ANY LEGAL MEANS POSSIBLE.

And Darrick Troy Evenson, and by "virtue" of his questionable activities (for example, he recruits men and women for the Adult Movie industry and for nudist camps where he organizes such activities as "non-sexual Nude Massage Parties" I expose him*. Oh, and did I mention that even children of all ages are allowed at these "camps" ?

When I see him claiming to be a devout Daheshist and creating sites promoting depravity in the name of Dahehsism, I expose him.

And that is just the beginning.

So, Darrick, this is not personal. THIS IS WAR. A cold... calculated... unrelenting... WAR.

There is no anger, no hurt feelings, no personal agenda. I see you as a pest that needs to be eliminated by using LEGAL MEANS. And that is what i am doing.

When I see you defacing Daheshism and your internet provider can't remove your posts because of this "freedom of expression" we have in the USA, then I PLAY the GAME using the RULES you have yourself used.

And when I see you attacking the Zahids and trying to get them killed. I attack YOU.

So, go ahead. Write all you want about me for as long as you want. At least that should keep you busy enough to stop writing any more distortions about Doctor Dahesh.

What do I care if you publicly kill my character? As long as you're so busy attacking me instead of messing with the Doctor's image... or out luring men and women into pornography or "non prostitution" ... yeah... right...

And, on a PERSONAL note Darrick Troy Evenson: should you ever come face to face with me and decide to carry out your threats of bodily harm, you'd better be ready to finish the job. So, what I am saying is this: This war shall not cease until you kill me.

And even then, rest assured that I will haunt you from beyond the grave.

Or... here is another option:

You will remove all the hundreds of posts you placed on Google and extinguish all your so-called Daheshist sites.

(*Please log on to the members' section)

Loup Solitaire
10-13-2008, 09:39 PM
One should not waste much emotion when accused by Darrick, because his credibility has been squandered years ago and tens of people have posted their testimony on the INTERNET. One such posting is http://www.zoominfo.com/people/Evenson_Darrick_179251397.aspx which documents his accusal of two innocent women of being lesbians after they had a five minute discussion with him and were in disagreement. He authored a book and it was published. Then it was found to be heavily plagiarized. This is documented on the same site.

Then there's an expose under "what's new in the headlines" at http://www.iclnet.org/pub/resources/text/cri/cri-nwsl/crn0036a.txt . There is a disclaimer that "Troy Lawrence" is a fraud. Troy Lawrence is one of DTE's alias'.

At http://www.utlm.org/newsletters/no79.htm , there is another documented case of how deceptive DTE can be.

You have already gotten some insight how DTE is currently earning his daily bread through all of his ad's for budding porn stars. I've seen a picture of Darrick. You know, I just can't see him in a porn movie. Girls have told me, size matters.

His history of deception, lying, perversion is documented on the INTERNET back into the late 1980's. This man is experienced and hardened to the extent that there is no low to which he will not stoop.

Johnson
10-13-2008, 09:47 PM
Mario... as always you stand strong and clear with your ways and convictions.

You have defended the name of Dr. Dahesh and Daheshism with every ounce of your being...

I and others here fully support you and believe in you.

Ziyad
10-14-2008, 07:48 AM
Dear Mario,

Please don't lose any sleep over this fellow.

It is obvious to anyone who reads him that he is mentally deranged.

Going to war would mean losing your time and energy and he isn't worth it.

Just get him out of your system, forget about him and focus on your personal creations. That would be the best way to serve Daheshism in my opinion.

Don't let him drain you of your energy, creativity and resources.

Loup Solitaire
10-14-2008, 11:37 AM
Dear Mario,

Please don't lose any sleep over this fellow.

It is obvious to anyone who reads him that "he is mentally deranged".



Dear Ziyad,

I talked to Mario last evening because, as you, I was concerned for him. Trust me, he is not losing any sleep over this creep. As Mario explained it to me, it is the over ranging affect that Darrick has over a much wider situation that is aggravating. It is my opinion it would be a pleasure for some, to incinerate him if possible to cleanse the earth of his filth.

If you follow the links in my post or search on the name "Darrick Evenson", "Darrick Troy Evenson", or his alias "Troy Lawrence", you will find testimonials going back to the late 1980's about a person with a flawed character worthy of contempt, disdain, scorn, and ridicule who should be ostracized from all humanity. His has managed to insult almost everybody he has ever come in contact with as though he has made it his life's mission.

He has insulted every race, religion, ethic group that exists. I wonder how it is that he has managed to live as long as he has given that he makes it a habit to alienate everyone he comes into contact with.

I thank God that I am not Darrick.

boxfox
10-14-2008, 07:55 PM
hello everyone,

firstly , i know i am not welcomed here after what happened in my latest thread and deleting some posts (which i regret ) , but after this post i must interfere, despite my problems with mario , i must say that on the personnel side i never saw a more dedicated person to his message then mario and i can never compare myself slightly to his decency, and i am sad for how it went between us , i think just we have some differences in our relation with certain people,

i hope you to handle there mario, and just to know that i think ignoring that darrik is the best way you respond

at the end if you are aiming towards afterlife you will see nothing but problems in your earthly life

thanks and god bless

Mario
10-14-2008, 11:50 PM
Just get him out of your system, forget about him and focus on your personal creations. That would be the best way to serve Daheshism in my opinion.


Thank you and consider it done!

Mario
10-15-2008, 01:41 AM
hello everyone,

firstly , i know i am not welcomed here after what happened in my latest thread and deleting some posts (which i regret ) , but after this post i must interfere, despite my problems with mario , i must say that on the personnel side i never saw a more dedicated person to his message then mario and i can never compare myself slightly to his decency, and i am sad for how it went between us , i think just we have some differences in our relation with certain people,

i hope you to handle there mario, and just to know that i think ignoring that darrik is the best way you respond

at the end if you are aiming towards afterlife you will see nothing but problems in your earthly life

thanks and god bless

Boxfox, I am sorry I over-reacted and that I hurt you. Being that I am old enough to be your father, I should have been able to control my temper better. But it's been tough as you know from our many conversations.

But the one who you and I should apologize to is Sandrine. She is the silent and valiant night whose efforts and sacrifices often go unrecognized.

And tonight, and in my opinion, you have proven your mettle as a true Daheshist. You are a man of courage and conviction. You have renewed my hope in that there MIGHT still be courageous people of honor.

Let us continue working to serve The Divine Message. Consider Daheshville your home.

Chad
10-15-2008, 08:23 AM
Mario, please the message needs your time more then wasting it on youngsters as such, this guy is a good example of a child play with a gun the sad thing he doesn’t know that it might hurt him.
it is because daheshism is shatter apart people like that take advantages, for people like that daheshism is an opportunity to make money to gain power maybe thinking Daheshist’s are ignorant sheep’s that need a shepherd like him !!!

Unity is our hit back, how nice and bravely was it from boxfox to say what he said and how mature and considerate from you to say that back, and hope others see that as well.
As Sandrine always says daheshville is a place for peace and love to live in harmony.

It’s not you that should answer him but the person that was Cc’ed
Lets put it this way if I consider myself as a father to Daheshist’s fellow and someone come and talk bad about any of them that person should be attacked and attacked hard.
Even the Beloved Prophet said, we are gentle like deer’s but when someone attacks our freedom we will be like Eagles of the sky and eat from their flesh.

When Father Noah was building the Ark people laughed at him, they made fun of a prophet yet we all know what happened.
What is happening is the same, a person like this one think he is smart and make fun of daheshism and think he can manipulate a group of people and make fun of them publicly BUT the day will came and the people in the Ark will be the happy one and those who choose to stay outside will regret, that’s daheshville an Ark for all of us.

Johnson
10-15-2008, 10:30 AM
When Father Noah was building the Ark people laughed at him, they made fun of a prophet yet we all know what happened.
What is happening is the same, a person like this one think he is smart and make fun of daheshism and think he can manipulate a group of people and make fun of them publicly BUT the day will came and the people in the Ark will be the happy one and those who choose to stay outside will regret, that’s daheshville an Ark for all of us.

Beautifully said, Chad.

boxfox
10-15-2008, 06:28 PM
ah yes sandrine i am sorry i have placed you in a hard situation, i really feel like i don't deserve you guys, plus i can't say about my self a real daheshist because i need alot to be done before earning that title , i really feel like torn and lost many times, i mean giving every move we make a spiritual and mental considiration like the doctor used to do is really heavy to carry . really i am like a mosquito comparing to what several daheshist have done

boxfox
10-15-2008, 06:52 PM
plus didn't Noah said in the letter to crush our lowly desires while they're infant before it grows in us and eliminates us with its skeemy ways ( sorry for the weak translation ) well i mean like some of these lowly desires are starting to be accepted socially and as an essential part of the modern man, i don't know what to say but this is making feel lost and really torn because i don\t have this equilibrium thing you told about mario

boxfox
10-15-2008, 07:50 PM
and one other thing , i know that considering one's life as a spiritual tests and considering every move to be made as compatible with one's believes is a ladder to the heavens , but one have to face loneliness and extermination from the community that surrounds him until he proves his point and at the end he will drag everyone towards him, because working for the spirit is upgrading one's eternal life and working for the flesh is is upgrading one's mortal life ( that just came to me ) , now if we are making a surviliance to our daily life on a spiritual perspective we would be shoked and disgusted from our deeds , but if you don't do it it would be like a normal day and plus your surroundings will bless you because most of us are on the same earthly spiritual level . now saying these things and applying them in life is a totally diffrent thing, as per i am good with talk but bad with puting these thoughts to work , i don't know i am out of remidies

Mario
10-16-2008, 07:23 PM
I am inclined to believe that there isn't one Daheshist (whatever that may mean in the big scheme of things) who — deep down — does not share similar feelings (self-doubt, uncertainty, anxiety, and so forth).

I think it all boils down to having nurtured self-respect, which is a close variant of "Pride" .

Before I go on, let me describe what I see being the difference between "pride" and it's evil twin known as "arrogance."

Pride and unconditional love go hand in hand. And if we love what we do, we will take pride in our work and vice versa.

Arrogance, on the other hand, sprouts out of such lowly energies as "envy" and "jealousy."

And for the record, when I say to someone whose achievements I strive to emulate "I am jealous," I mean that in a good sense. In the same vein, I have had many people tell me "I am jealous of you!" and I took that as a sign of support, affection, and of them being proud of me. I am sure the above paragraph is probably self-evident, but I do not wish to leave any room for doubt in my meaning. So, my apologies for the potential redundancy.
In any case, and to cut to the chase: show me an arrogant person who never admits any of his or her mistakes and and I'll show you someone who loathes themselves.

True (and where applicable): life is hard, Earth is Hell, and being a human being is ...(you fill-in the blanks). Still, I don't think that gives anyone of us the right to loathe ourselves. **There are exceptions... In fact, some people could benefit from some genuine, good old fashioned self-loathing for a change!
How can we do the Lord's work and be kind towards others if we are not kind towards ourselves? Sure, let us be extremely strict with ourselves—just as we would with our children (who we hope would listen to us and follow our "example")— but this has nothing to do with self-loathing, which may lead to developing an arrogant attitude (if not already inherited from a previous incarnation).

And I know that you are not expressing anything that may be viewed as "self-loathing." But, why take chances? So I figured that we'd better have this "talk" now; that way, and God willing, you never end up in that really dark zone.
Hence, and as a first step, my advice to you would be to pass the "do I accept who I am and do I embrace (what I consider to be) my limitations" test with flying colors.

Why is that first step important?

I am not sure you read that one piece I wrote (and Lord only knows where it is currently buried) where I summarize my formula for harmony by constantly balancing "holding on to anything" with "letting go of everything".

Quite simply, Boxfox, you do not have the "mileage." It is not you, it is the way things are. In other words, there is no way you can experience what a much older individual does.

The good news is that the angst you feel is the best thing that could ever happen to you: consider it as both your blessing and your "navigator" (with the occasional help from your friends).

Furthermore, are you kidding?

Some people would give everything they have in order to feel what you are feeling: Have you forgotten that — deep down — you are a creative person? (Or did I misread your meaning during our many conversations).

Other people (and continuing on this same line of thought)fake having these kinds of feeling you genuinely have, or convince themselves they have them, just so that they lay "eggs" they consider to be creative masterpieces.

But beyond that...

You want to be able to reach a point in your life where you are living each moment for its own sake.

The effect this has on everything you will eventually do or engage in, from cooking your meals to cleaning the house, to making friendships (and even the occasional enemy!) to building (one day) the special bond you will have with someone with whom you will share your life, is immeasurable.

That "living in the moment" approach does not mean we throw caution to the wind or that we don't prepare for the future. It simply means that we appreciate the moment, the experience, the view, the feeling, etc. and just try to be (even if an ever tiny bit) better than we were the moment before. In other words: try not to compare yourself to others. Or, rather, that you should never let the accomplishments of others (as you perceive them to be) discourage you or (as sometime is the case) bring you to a full halt.

Instead, you should (eventually... one of these days... when you have the advantage of "the miles" behind you) try to judge yourself based on your own self. And that is probably the hardest thing you could ever do.

Now, what was I talking about... Ah, yes... Pride.

In my experience, having a sense of pride in what we do is key. And just so that there is no misunderstanding: I am not suggesting that we should strive for perfection in the strict sense of word. Often, and we try to do that, we become so focused on the goal and forget the process. And the process is what we really draw lessons from—not the goal.

However, we can impart what we do, say, create, etc. with the sense of perfection-like characteristics if, and only if, we approach it using a more holistic process.

Now, what do I mean by that exactly?

Let's look at the process of drawing or painting or artistic expression in general (and that includes writing as well as translating).

There are many paintings that look "perfect" to the naked eye, yet, house many imperfections.

On the other hand, there are paintings that are so polished that just look wrong.

This is a very long discussion and we certainly do not have the space in this thread to discuss it at length. But the idea is that everything we do, say, create, etc, has to come across as being "painless" ... "balanced" ... "smooth"... "streamlined"... "natural"... and certainly "economical in design" where nothing is wasted.

In fact, you practice Ikido—right? Next time you watch your sensei perform a kata, notice how no movement is wasted, that everything flows naturally... That is the essence of holistic expression.

And when you play one instrument, you're just hearing that one instrument. But, put two instruments together and you add a third element that wasn't there before. And that is perhaps why Jesus Christ (who was, incidentally, a musician) made reference to what happens when two people came together in his name.

And, in my view, overall spiritual equilibrium begins with the desire to achieve balance in what we do, say, paint, create, etc.

To even begin to do that, we must love what we do. And before we are able to achieve that, we must accept and love who we are.

So, my advice to you would be to seek refuge in artistic creation. And I know you're in the middle of "nowhere" and that you have no projects to work on.

I know the feeling. When I was forced to leave Beirut, and living in the mountains, I had nothing to work with for two whole years practically. But I never gave up hope. Eventually, I was able to acquire one watercolor brush and a Gouache set—and some paper.

And when I received the first "Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends" I remember being so inspired that I began to illustrate one of the stories. I was probably 17 or 18 years old. I had this dream (silly me) of illustrating the works of Doctor Dahesh! So I went to work... then, midway... I stopped and thought to myself: "Even if I was able to ever see Doctor Dahesh again, it is not as if he would ever ask me to illustrate anything for his books!"

So, trust me, I speak from experience.

And even when Doctor Dahesh did honor me with the illustration assignments—and assure you— I am not so sure people were happy about it. In fact, I remember in 1980 someone (I won't name him) saying to me (at the 42 Street and 2nd Avenue MacDonalds in NYC) "The fact he gave you this assignment to do his cover does not necessarily mean you're talented. It may just mean that this is good for you Spiritual Fluids."

And 4 years later, after his death, no one would ever reply to any of my requests for information from (practically) May - December 1984? All I ever wanted to know is the aspect ratio of "THE INFERNO." I wanted to know if I should draw the portrait or landscape. Heck, I would have settled for a couple of dimensions based on the set that Koroleff did (and, which, incidentally, Doctor Dahesh sent with me to the USA—which both surprised the customs agents as well as myself... I had no idea what Chucri had packed into those suitcases...)

That didn't stop me. I finished my assignment as Doctor Dahesh asked. And before I last saw him, he said "Do as you see fit."

That is why, when I was regularly asked to redraw the images, I flatly refused to do so because I felt that the drawings I already created contained a level of energy and intensity that was impossible for me to recreate. And they probably wanted me to redraw them small.

"M..." (the brother who owns the school) said to me once "Did you have to draw them so large? Your ears must have been ringing because we often cursed your name (he said jokingly)"

Little did he know that I did go to Doctor Dahesh and this is the (almost verbatim) conversation I had with him on this subject:

"Doctor, I think we're going to end up with a problem. My drawings are going to be huge."

"The bigger the better!" he exclaimed.

And so it was. And so these drawings would become the proverbial cross that "M...." had to carry back and forth from the U.S.A. to Italy.

It is ironic that he also tried to talk me into redrawing them.

Anyway, BoxFox, that is all I can say on this issue. Just immerse yourself in the creative process.

And even if the world was to end tomorrow. So what? You'll finish the work in your next incarnation.

If you ask me, it is better to die with the desire to continue a project or labor of love that we have started and left unfinished.

Boredom is the ultimate enemy.

Mario
10-17-2008, 10:11 PM
Mario, please the message needs your time more then wasting it on youngsters as such, this guy is a good example of a child play with a gun the sad thing he doesn’t know that it might hurt him.
it is because daheshism is shatter apart people like that take advantages, for people like that daheshism is an opportunity to make money to gain power maybe thinking Daheshist’s are ignorant sheep’s that need a shepherd like him !!!

Unity is our hit back, how nice and bravely was it from boxfox to say what he said and how mature and considerate from you to say that back, and hope others see that as well.
As Sandrine always says daheshville is a place for peace and love to live in harmony.

It’s not you that should answer him but the person that was Cc’ed
Lets put it this way if I consider myself as a father to Daheshist’s fellow and someone come and talk bad about any of them that person should be attacked and attacked hard.
Even the Beloved Prophet said, we are gentle like deer’s but when someone attacks our freedom we will be like Eagles of the sky and eat from their flesh.

When Father Noah was building the Ark people laughed at him, they made fun of a prophet yet we all know what happened.
What is happening is the same, a person like this one think he is smart and make fun of daheshism and think he can manipulate a group of people and make fun of them publicly BUT the day will came and the people in the Ark will be the happy one and those who choose to stay outside will regret, that’s daheshville an Ark for all of us.

My Dear Chad,

Thank you...

I promise you that the only reason I am archiving what is happening is for posterity's sake. And I agree with you that it is up to the people who were Carbon Copied (for "whatever" reason) to act. He is utterly insignificant when compared to those we should be worried about. And you are right, Boxfox showed bravery.

And speaking of posterity and in terms of lessons that ought to be learned:

I am not really sure what pushed me posted my comments about the Virgin Birth (http://www.daheshville.com/forum/showthread.php?t=109)* I had no idea that Darrick Troy Evenson would threaten to leave Daheshism if my claim was right.

Of course, and now that we believe that his main goal is to hurt the image of Daheshism**, we can certainly see that he didn't care either way***

But back then, Darrick threatened to leave Daheshism. He made a declaration, right here, on Daheshville, that if Doctor Dahesh did not believe in the Virgin Birth, then he was no longer a Daheshist.

I don't want to mention names. But, and unfortunately, "someone" who believed so strongly in Darrick, wrote him that I was totally wrong, that only a few people know the truth, and that I was not among those what had merited to know the truth.

Then "someone else" who neither likes Darrick (and was totally jealous of that "someone's" high opinion of Darrick) nor yours truly or Daheshville, would be heard saying: "Daheshville won't last long..." and that (I paraphrase) Daheshville was an evil place, and anybody who enters it would have their spiritual fluids degenerate, and that Daheshville would dissuade Christians/Catholics from entering Daheshism...

Now, and as a funny tangent: that "someone" would later publish Daheshism's (perhaps) most sensitive spiritual secret online, for all to see... I dare not repeat it, even though I have the actual source myself: "Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends Part III"... And, the revelation about the Virgin Birth was also written in that same book— by the way. In fact, in the same chapter in which the revelation about why exactly Jesus asked God not be subjected to the ordeal and tragic death of the Crucifixion... And to remind everyone: in Daheshism we believe that Jesus himself was not crucified, but that a spiritual entity materialized and was crucified instead... And as if that is not a hot issue in of itself (Not that I would... but I am not about to walk into an Irish Pub in Northern Ireland and make that declaration!) when we add the reason why that happened, I assure you, there would be serious trouble!

Now, how is it that the same person who uttered such words condemning Daheshville would later turn and publicly reveal such a revelation?

Is it that this person feels that Daheshville is in competition with them?

Case in point, and long after we published information about the Daheshist Symbol, the day after we published the first movie on YouTube, they published a movie as well...

So, Chad, I will add my voice to yours and say that the problem is way beyond Darrick...

Darrick is what Darrick is. But, in a way, I see him as a catalyst that tests the Daheshists.

Shall we believe that the Fluid that pushed Cain to murder Abel is gone... or that the one who lured Eve and Adam to fall a second time has vanished... ? And how about the complex interplay of spiritual fluids that resulted in brother killing brother, sister killing sister, and mother killing daugther in other reincarnations (and as depicted by Doctor Dahesh) all in the name of "love" ?

Let us not kid ourselves: our own "field" is teaming with snakes: spiritual fluids bent on blinding some with the desire for power. These spiritual fluids are what causes a man to say "I will work with the devil if it means completing my mission..."

I will stop here and pick this up later.

In the meantime...I would like to say to one particular "brother" currently residing in "Qatar" that I am not impressed with what he has recently done. It is ironic that his half-sister would once tell me I was "insignificant" — when I was a teenager (I wrote about it) . And even more ironic, that his half sister's uncle would forbid his own daughter from playing guitar because I played guitar.


*At the time, I referred to it as the "Immaculate Conception of Christ" until Zionic educated me — a Catholic by birth and education — about the correct nomenclature.

** The fact that he promoted Daheshville in his posts should not overshadow the fact that he committed (technically speaking) acts of verbal aggression towards Daheshists, and that (most importantly, he is defaced Daheshism.

Just Google "Dahesh" or "Daheshville" or other permutations, and you'll see the extent of his handy-work. And the only reason, I think, that he promoted the links to Daheshville despite his attacks is because — I suppose — he thought we were naive. Well, the joke is on him. Now, he is going to have to edit every post and web site. Furthermore, even many of the images he "borrowed" without permission carry the "Daheshville.com" link. And, in case you have not seen it, each first-time visitor to the site is greeted with a warning about Darrick Troy Evenson. And that is the essence of the "war" I mentioned. And incidentally... On October 14, he wrote me this "love letter"

From: Darrick Evenson <darrick_evenson@yahoo.com>
Date: October 14, 2008 9:37:22 PM EDT
To: Mario Henri Chakkour
Subject: Darrick
Reply-To: darrick_evenson@yahoo.com

Mario,

You are a sick, sick, sick self-deluded pervert. I pray that you will repend of your disgusting sins, and get some mental help. I know that others at Daheshville do not, that you are several "personalities" at Daheshville; not just Mario and Administrator, but a number of others. You are talking to yourself much of the time. The "Dahesh Society of America" will come to nothing. Eventually, "Daheshville" will come to nothing. You brought this upon yourself. Dr. Brax were right about you. You are a NUT first class! You are a pervert, and a very sick one too.
Repent!
Darrick


*** When we showed him tangible proof that Doctor Dahesh wrote words that corroborated my initial post, he flatly refused to accept them. And that's what he wrote to us. It was clear he was either a fanatic or putting on an act.

Chad
10-18-2008, 01:38 AM
You know what it is always going back to the main source problem, there will be a million one like him. Why… Because there isn't an open source and clarity of information about Daheshism.
You can't expect someone to be a Daheshist and on the road he or she discover that there are new information that will make them change there minds.
Be Honest and clear from the start , I am not saying let daheshism be an open book but lets not give it a secretive image and that everything is done behind the scene, people doesn’t like that and I am one of them. Why you do something in a cagey way unless you have something to be scared of or to hide !
There Should be a main head statement that describe What and Who is Daheshist at least, but I guess that won’t happen with the old generation of Daheshist it will need a new generation that if there will be maybe One to start that. Did Jesus say: “blessed are who believed in me yet they haven’t seen me”, that’s the generation I am talking about that haven’t seen Dahesh and will hold on to the message. End

Johnson
10-18-2008, 01:35 PM
You are exactly right Chad. The message of Dr. Dahesh should be clear and out in the light. I know many people are doing things "behind the scenes"... but that does not mean that there can't still be a clear, structured, unified openness of what and who Dr. Dahesh is that is cohesively presented and acknowledged out in the open.

I don't think there is anything more to be "waiting" for... waiting for this book to be published or that book... or this manuscript or that manuscript... I am sure some think we need to "wait" until all this is in place... and then what? ..have a big "reveal"? ...to then unmask the cloak that has been put in place and has been hovering over Daheshism for the past 24 years?

What are we to do in the interim? we wait quietly? we wait until someone or something reaches out to us and says, "ok, it is ok to come in (or out) now?"

This has been the ongoing frustration and we have all seen the negative effects this has had... and frankly, either people are aware of this and don't care... or... no, I think people ARE aware of this...

So we do what we are moved to do and do the best we can each and every day... when the "ok" time finally arrives to come out in to the open... at least our story here of what we have said and done will still be the same...

boxfox
10-19-2008, 09:50 PM
I am inclined to believe that there isn't one Daheshist (whatever that may mean in the big scheme of things) who — deep down — does not share similar feelings (self-doubt, uncertainty, anxiety, and so forth).

I think it all boils down to having nurtured self-respect, which is a close variant of "Pride" .

Before I go on, let me describe what I see being the difference between "pride" and it's evil twin known as "arrogance."

Pride and unconditional love go hand in hand. And if we love what we do, we will take pride in our work and vice versa.

Arrogance, on the other hand, sprouts out of such lowly energies as "envy" and "jealousy."

And for the record, when I say to someone whose achievements I strive to emulate "I am jealous," I mean that in a good sense. In the same vein, I have had many people tell me "I am jealous of you!" and I took that as a sign of support, affection, and of them being proud of me. I am sure the above paragraph is probably self-evident, but I do not wish to leave any room for doubt in my meaning. So, my apologies for the potential redundancy.
In any case, and to cut to the chase: show me an arrogant person who never admits any of his or her mistakes and and I'll show you someone who loathes themselves.



first , the mentality lebanon is quite diffrent from the american mentality , i feel amazed with how american people are honest with themselves , i mean all what we do in lebanon is condemming ourselves speaking on each one another behind their back , your feelings get strangeled and you can never say what your feeling for the fear of being condemned by society later,

well to tell you the truth my problem is that i didn't gave my message its right in my life , i didn't make any spiritual system in my life , i didn't prepare my self to spiritual tests, i don't want to go to details and make everyone bored here , but a piece of advice is that as long as you are alive give every moment its right ( this doesn't apply on me), i never felt conviced of what i have despite i should embrace what god gave me

True (and where applicable): life is hard, Earth is Hell, and being a human being is ...(you fill-in the blanks). Still, I don't think that gives anyone of us the right to loathe ourselves. **There are exceptions... In fact, some people could benefit from some genuine, good old fashioned self-loathing for a change!
How can we do the Lord's work and be kind towards others if we are not kind towards ourselves? Sure, let us be extremely strict with ourselves—just as we would with our children (who we hope would listen to us and follow our "example")— but this has nothing to do with self-loathing, which may lead to developing an arrogant attitude (if not already inherited from a previous incarnation).

And I know that you are not expressing anything that may be viewed as "self-loathing." But, why take chances? So I figured that we'd better have this "talk" now; that way, and God willing, you never end up in that really dark zone.
Hence, and as a first step, my advice to you would be to pass the "do I accept who I am and do I embrace (what I consider to be) my limitations" test with flying colors.

Why is that first step important?

I am not sure you read that one piece I wrote (and Lord only knows where it is currently buried) where I summarize my formula for harmony by constantly balancing "holding on to anything" with "letting go of everything".

Quite simply, Boxfox, you do not have the "mileage." It is not you, it is the way things are. In other words, there is no way you can experience what a much older individual does.

The good news is that the angst you feel is the best thing that could ever happen to you: consider it as both your blessing and your "navigator" (with the occasional help from your friends).

Furthermore, are you kidding?

Some people would give everything they have in order to feel what you are feeling: Have you forgotten that — deep down — you are a creative person? (Or did I misread your meaning during our many conversations).

Other people (and continuing on this same line of thought)fake having these kinds of feeling you genuinely have, or convince themselves they have them, just so that they lay "eggs" they consider to be creative masterpieces.

But beyond that...

You want to be able to reach a point in your life where you are living each moment for its own sake.

The effect this has on everything you will eventually do or engage in, from cooking your meals to cleaning the house, to making friendships (and even the occasional enemy!) to building (one day) the special bond you will have with someone with whom you will share your life, is immeasurable.

That "living in the moment" approach does not mean we throw caution to the wind or that we don't prepare for the future. It simply means that we appreciate the moment, the experience, the view, the feeling, etc. and just try to be (even if an ever tiny bit) better than we were the moment before. In other words: try not to compare yourself to others. Or, rather, that you should never let the accomplishments of others (as you perceive them to be) discourage you or (as sometime is the case) bring you to a full halt.

Instead, you should (eventually... one of these days... when you have the advantage of "the miles" behind you) try to judge yourself based on your own self. And that is probably the hardest thing you could ever do.

Now, what was I talking about... Ah, yes... Pride.

In my experience, having a sense of pride in what we do is key. And just so that there is no misunderstanding: I am not suggesting that we should strive for perfection in the strict sense of word. Often, and we try to do that, we become so focused on the goal and forget the process. And the process is what we really draw lessons from—not the goal.

However, we can impart what we do, say, create, etc. with the sense of perfection-like characteristics if, and only if, we approach it using a more holistic process.

Now, what do I mean by that exactly?

Let's look at the process of drawing or painting or artistic expression in general (and that includes writing as well as translating).

There are many paintings that look "perfect" to the naked eye, yet, house many imperfections.

On the other hand, there are paintings that are so polished that just look wrong.

This is a very long discussion and we certainly do not have the space in this thread to discuss it at length. But the idea is that everything we do, say, create, etc, has to come across as being "painless" ... "balanced" ... "smooth"... "streamlined"... "natural"... and certainly "economical in design" where nothing is wasted.

In fact, you practice Ikido—right? Next time you watch your sensei perform a kata, notice how no movement is wasted, that everything flows naturally... That is the essence of holistic expression.

And when you play one instrument, you're just hearing that one instrument. But, put two instruments together and you add a third element that wasn't there before. And that is perhaps why Jesus Christ (who was, incidentally, a musician) made reference to what happens when two people came together in his name.

And, in my view, overall spiritual equilibrium begins with the desire to achieve balance in what we do, say, paint, create, etc.

To even begin to do that, we must love what we do. And before we are able to achieve that, we must accept and love who we are.

So, my advice to you would be to seek refuge in artistic creation. And I know you're in the middle of "nowhere" and that you have no projects to work on.

I know the feeling. When I was forced to leave Beirut, and living in the mountains, I had nothing to work with for two whole years practically. But I never gave up hope. Eventually, I was able to acquire one watercolor brush and a Gouache set—and some paper.

And when I received the first "Strange Tales and Wondrous Legends" I remember being so inspired that I began to illustrate one of the stories. I was probably 17 or 18 years old. I had this dream (silly me) of illustrating the works of Doctor Dahesh! So I went to work... then, midway... I stopped and thought to myself: "Even if I was able to ever see Doctor Dahesh again, it is not as if he would ever ask me to illustrate anything for his books!"

So, trust me, I speak from experience.

And even when Doctor Dahesh did honor me with the illustration assignments—and assure you— I am not so sure people were happy about it. In fact, I remember in 1980 someone (I won't name him) saying to me (at the 42 Street and 2nd Avenue MacDonalds in NYC) "The fact he gave you this assignment to do his cover does not necessarily mean you're talented. It may just mean that this is good for you Spiritual Fluids."

And 4 years later, after his death, no one would ever reply to any of my requests for information from (practically) May - December 1984? All I ever wanted to know is the aspect ratio of "THE INFERNO." I wanted to know if I should draw the portrait or landscape. Heck, I would have settled for a couple of dimensions based on the set that Koroleff did (and, which, incidentally, Doctor Dahesh sent with me to the USA—which both surprised the customs agents as well as myself... I had no idea what Chucri had packed into those suitcases...)

That didn't stop me. I finished my assignment as Doctor Dahesh asked. And before I last saw him, he said "Do as you see fit."

That is why, when I was regularly asked to redraw the images, I flatly refused to do so because I felt that the drawings I already created contained a level of energy and intensity that was impossible for me to recreate. And they probably wanted me to redraw them small.

"M..." (the brother who owns the school) said to me once "Did you have to draw them so large? Your ears must have been ringing because we often cursed your name (he said jokingly)"

Little did he know that I did go to Doctor Dahesh and this is the (almost verbatim) conversation I had with him on this subject:

"Doctor, I think we're going to end up with a problem. My drawings are going to be huge."

"The bigger the better!" he exclaimed.

And so it was. And so these drawings would become the proverbial cross that "M...." had to carry back and forth from the U.S.A. to Italy.

It is ironic that he also tried to talk me into redrawing them.

Anyway, BoxFox, that is all I can say on this issue. Just immerse yourself in the creative process.

And even if the world was to end tomorrow. So what? You'll finish the work in your next incarnation.

If you ask me, it is better to die with the desire to continue a project or labor of love that we have started and left unfinished.

Boredom is the ultimate enemy.

before i continue , i thought i should update you about the latest of brother " M...." , well last i heard he have changed alot and beleive it or not he's as sweet as a baby now , i never met him but i hear from others about him , on my last visit to lebanon my cousin who lives in canada came aslo and during a gathering she told us about how much he changed , yeah beleive it or not but time change people, too late hah , i am not saying he was arogent but as i hear from like five witnesses ( you among them) he had this thing that doesn't make you feel confortable around him, i guess canada soften ppl lol....

back to the state of daheshists in lebanon , some has joined political parties and keeps daheshism hidden from others ,some are living a hermit-like life ; some just left ; some are still meeting, well, to remember old days and pray ; some like me are daheshists by name and need alot to go back on the track and in fact they are really hopeless.
but these days are better than the near past and an air nostalgia to the old days is spreading .

worlds can't help alot and thanks for your try , but this is between me and me, i should fix my self again .